Well, won't write a whole lot, i'll let people decide what they think of this. I think that i changed the overall feeling of the picture, gave it a new mening and atmosphere, none the less a new message.. I understand the fuss but will let this take it to the debate since i have been debating it with my friends too where there have been a lot of different opinions

nay

nay

well.. isn't supposed to be an original homemade artwork :/? I wouldn't accept this, I am sorry.

nay, and even worse is the previous winner "innocent maouri" witch is simply this tutorial: http://psdtuts.com/tutorials-effects/creating-a-vector-composite-effect-from-a-photo/ , only with another photo. Utter "nay".

Let me just say why I personally think it's OK. It's true that a lot of the pixels in the work comes from the stock photo, especially when you view the small thumbnails. However, when you see it in large, then the photo is just, well, come on, a photo of a small tree with a little dirt in a pair of hands (albeit a great one). The artwork on the other hand is telling you a story, it's a whole little world in your hands. It's just amazing.

I believe that's why it got enough votes to win, not because of the (very nice) background. Would it have helped if CWerther had changed the background enough to make it difficult to recognize?

Curious to hear what you think.

To be honest, it is only after the last comment here that I have realised that there is a something more then the watter fall added to that photoe. WOW! the whole other world...let me see...hmm...I can see some grass, some strings attached to the tree and nothing else I can identify no matter how hard I try to make something out of it

considering that voters can see the same size of this work as I can, I would say that only the administrators could see anything else there...considering that I am rather surprised to see this work a winner

seriously-another world!!!??? or am I blind?

with regard to "innocent maouri" I would say it didn't impress me at all...it looked like a special effect

in fact only two-tree works out of winning 24 had a solid artistic value...I was stunnengly surprised to see that top 24...and some of the works that entered the top have been added to the voting only 1 or 2 days before the end of the vote...makes me wonder

and to round up I must say that the announcement by the administrators saying that votes by people who didn't register will not count is a pure stunt. First they encourage you to tell all your friends about YAYART then when the advertising to the WEBSITE was done by the artists, they are informed that the majority of the votes will not be considered - thats not cool people!

I understand that we all do what we can to promote our stuff, but hey, lets be decent!

danalisa99 !!

I think that we have different opinions on what art infact is, or at least there are some areas where, we would most definitely would disargree !..

I think that art is all about making a expressing, calling out an emotion, setting a mood.. Special effects are most definietly an important "ingredient" - but that's not what it comes down to in the end..

And i'm very sorry for bitching but unless the guy who created this:
http://www.yayart.net/shop/692/?c=DKK

Were the creator of this tutorial:
http://psdtuts.com/tutorials-effects/creating-a-vector-composite-effect-from-a-photo/

I would think there is something very odd about my art being taken up for debate..

well i love these both images ..looks really amazing..will look great if printed..

both images says the life in hands of humans..well great thought..initial idea in refrence photograph is very strong and thats not working in ur favour..if u keep the original picture for voting still it will gain good votes its that good composition..
and new work its not unique because of this factor..

u know i feel this is lookin great but now after seein this another picture same as it is..inner voice says nay for some reason

nay from me..m sorry..

Wow mate, I thought you did more work than that but it turns out to be a stock photo! Im disappointed in you!!

danalisa: I'm sorry, but I'm not looking at a larger size. I'm describing what I see in it.

It's interesting points you bring up. There's one thing I've learned for sure so far, and that is that people's idea of what is yay and what's not is most often completely disjoint. It sounds trivial, but it's not.

You're for sure looking for something completely different from what I'm looking for. The same for everyone else here.

Now, you can like that or not, but the end result is that we get a wide selection of what people like to the top. It may not all be the pieces that a panel from an art school would describe as the most interesting or artistic, but that's not really the point with YayArt anyway. The point of YayArt is to get your art up on people's walls.

Rather than focusing on the 21-22 works you didn't like, I'd suggest you consider that we (as a community) managed to select 2-3 pieces you liked. Most people I've talked to are like that - they like 2-5 of the finalists. Of course everybody a different subset. So we have a basis for getting the art up on people's walls.

I am actually sorry for bringing up the offtop comments regarding the woting rules. I will moove them into another topic.

CWerther wrote:
"And i'm very sorry for bitching but unless the guy who created this:
http://www.yayart.net/shop/692/?c=DKK
Were the creator of this tutorial:
http://psdtuts.com/tutorials-effects/creating-a-vector-composite-effect-from-a-photo/
I would think there is something very odd about my art being taken up for debate.."

I see your point...but it just happened so that your work got the spot light...I am sure that if we looke closer at the works of people there will be cases when the originality and own contribution of the artist is rather minimal...but who has the time for such a scruteny anyway...

danalisa wrote:

"I see your point...but it just happened so that your work got the spot light...I am sure that if we looke closer at the works of people there will be cases when the originality and own contribution of the artist is rather minimal...but who has the time for such a scruteny anyway..."

None the less there should still be taken care of the issue since it's there. I mean, it's in the shop, and it's "stolen" from a tutorial ( unless he's the creator ) , my god everybody can do that.. I know it's a bitchy selfish thing to say but, i still think it's an issue.. I see your point that everybody can't be checked but when it pop's up ( like mine ) it have to be bought up for debate (like mine )..

I would be concerned with a copyright issue resulting in legal action from the stock owners, as a new company this could be bad news for yayart if it resulted in a loss of sales. No offense to the artist but purely from a business point of view I wouldn't risk printing this.

wotto wrote:

"I would be concerned with a copyright issue resulting in legal action from the stock owners, as a new company this could be bad news for yayart if it resulted in a loss of sales. No offense to the artist but purely from a business point of view I wouldn't risk printing this."

I purchased this from Istockphoto, and as far as i know then when the photo is bought then there is no copyright issues as far of printing them

Did you get an 'iStockphoto Extended License' for this image? Otherwise you should consider this - from the iStockphoto Legal: For clarity, you may not use the Content in products for resale, license or other distribution, unless (i) the proposed use is allowable under an Extended License which is available for the Content; or (ii) if the original Content has been fundamentally modified or transformed sufficiently that it constitutes an original work.. and where the primary value of such transformed or derivative work is not recognizable as the Content... For example, you cannot superficially modify the Content, print it on a t-shirt, mug, poster, template or other item, and sell it to others for consumption, reproduction or re-sale. These uses will not be permitted as or constitute Permitted Derivative Works. If there is any doubt that a work is a Permitted Derivative Work, you should either obtain an Extended License or contact iStockphoto’s Client Relations for guidance. Any use of the Content that is not a Permitted Use shall constitute infringement of copyright.
Sorry, if I bother you with all this legal stuff but I think it is important!
Did you get such a license?

nay! Sorry CWerther but your artwork is too close to the Original istock photo...
and If you didn't get iStockphoto Extended License, Yayart can't Print this one!

Nay!!

@CWerther
I do agree with your opinions, and your piece definately has great artistic value. The only problem is that a lot of that value is not due to your effort. Still, some of it clearly is, and I do see alot of work has gone into this from your hands. If only you had originally linked to this stock and credited it, we would not have had this problem.

This however is not your fault, but rather it should be a part of the commission requirements to post any stock used that is not the artists own and let this information be part of judging the images.

As I already said before, the comission "Innocent looking >" that your also link to is way way worse, especially if the photo used is also stock. In that case the artist used another persons photo and a third persons techniques and labeled the result his own. Not very creative :(

First of all it is a photo of mine not a stock one. In this case you have to put trust in me. And yes it is a third person technique. Inspite of that I asked me one question: Why does someone publishes this technique,if he doesn't want users to use it?!

If you look at my other pictures you will see that every picture has the same effect - more or less...

From my point of view it is difficult to handle such situation. I haven't thought that I would acchieve a great deal in Yayart (especially with this picture) - but it happened.

On the other hand everybody has got a favourite artist and tries somehow to learn his style/technique. My favourite one is Alberto Seveso. Take a closer look at his art and you'll recognize an affinity. (Me-->Psdtuts-->Albero seveso-->???). I just want to give an example: Every artist has got his own technique and everybody is "influenced" by someone. Sometimes it is apparent, othertimes just on the second, third,... look.

It sounds like a vindication, doesn't it?! - that wasn't my aim

I agree. Tutorials are there to learn a technique and then the technique becomes a tool to create. I don't think there is anything wrong with that.

Frederic your are right, but anyway I can't use technique invented from another guy, I prefer discover and find a new technique all by my own, Yes tutorial are there to teach something new, but not like someone totally copy and paste a photoshop effect in another photo!^^ Anyway is legible to win^^ and I speak only for my self, I won't afford to copy a technique from a tutorial^^ I hate this, kills the art^^

I get your point Darioberardi - and I have tried not to copy and paste the complete effect in other pictures as you will see if you look at the others.
It is an experience I had to get - I think I twon' make the same "mistake" another time.

So let's enjoy the (yay)art...